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14 March 2008

Logics that drive Stock Price Patterns

Ask your kid to wake up in the morning or go to bed at night and you are likely to get a not so positive response. Ask an employee to perform certain difficult task and you need to ensure the employee is motivated. Incentives play a major role in motivating one to perform to achieve the desired goals. If the incentive is instant, the impact is likely to be better. That is human nature. Most organisations understand this well and devise reward programs for employees.

Often, in the world of investments, the results of the investments turn out to be very different from what logic can explain and there are situations when a wrong decision gets rewarded just because of the random nature of stock markets. Stock market is a very different place in that way. What we mean to say here is that even at times when one has invested for wrong reasons, or made wrong investment choices, the outcome turns out to be positive. Such an outcome leads one to believe that the decision and the logic behind the decision were right. On other occasions, when one has taken the right approach to assessing an investment, if the outcome is negative, one tends to question the investment process. In both the cases, the outcome may determine the future course of action. An investor making a mistake and getting the right outcome is likely to put more money using the same investment process. The moment the outcome changes, i.e., the negative outcome appears, the investor, in all likelihood loses more than he ever gained. On the other hand, if the outcome was negative in the first place, the correct methodology was either changed or the investor opts to stay away from stock markets.

This is no different from the famous experiment by the scientist Pavlov:

The original and most famous example of classical conditioning involved the salivary conditioning of Pavlov's dogs. During his research on the physiology of digestion in dogs, Pavlov noticed that, rather than simply salivating in the presence of meat powder (an innate response to food that he called the unconditioned response), the dogs began to salivate in the presence of the lab technician who normally fed them. Pavlov called these psychic secretions. From this observation he predicted that, if a particular stimulus in the dog’s surroundings were present when the dog was presented with meat powder, then this stimulus would become associated with food and cause salivation on its own. In his initial experiment, Pavlov used bells to call the dogs to their food and, after a few repetitions, the dogs started to salivate in response to the bell. (Source: www.wikipedia.org)

To put the above paragraph simply, while the dogs were expected to salivate on seeing meat, they started salivating even at the sight of the lab technician, who brought them meat. In the second experiment, when Pavlov started using bells to call dogs to their food, the dogs started to salivate at the sound of the bells even when there was no food. The brain learns and remembers using association. Sound of bells or sight of lab technician was followed by food – in the above discussion. This theory won the Nobel Prize for Ivan Pavlov and goes a long way in explaining how learning can take place.

It's human nature to find patterns where there are none and to find skill where luck is a more likely explanation – said William Bernstein

I would narrate an incident that happened long back with a college student. This student happened to be one of the toppers in his class but was always very nervous during the examinations. In his final year, he had prepared well for the exams like he always did. On the day of the first exam, he was sitting on a tea stall having his morning cup of tea. Whether it was nervousness or something else, he dropped the cup and it broke. That day, he did fantastically well in the exam. It became a routine for him from the next day onwards. Every morning, he would go to the same tea stall, have tea, pay the tea stall owner Rs. 5 and break a cup. This was exhibition of the same behavior that William Bernstein mentioned above – “find patterns where there are none” just because one was unsure of the outcome of the exams. We can look around ourselves and find many such examples in real life as well.

It is no wonder then that around the budget time, we hear talks about pre-budget rallies / crashes or post-budget rallies / crashes. The announcements in the budget still can make some difference to certain businesses and the economy at large, but then there is also the December effect or the May-June crash phenomena – just because someone happened to register similar movements of stock prices during those periods.

However, there is a difference between the patterns that cause the prices to move and those that just randomly happen more often. The most important pattern and a proven one at that is the relationship between company profits and the stock price. The stock price moves in line with the growth in the profits of the company. As long as the company continues to grow profitability without diluting the equity base, the prices are likely to move up. However, this long-term up move is likely to be filled with many roller-coaster rides along the way.

It is important to learn about the factors causing long term and short term movements in the stock prices and use this knowledge to our advantage.

Most other relationships and associations are just coincidences. Such coincidences serve no other purpose than to distract an otherwise disciplined investor, leading to costly mistakes.

14-03-08 Chatscript with Mr Anil Manghnani.

moderator: Welcome to poweryourtrade.com chat. Mr Anil Manghnani will soon join us.

Anil Manghnani: Good Afternoon

rohitgnaik: what abt Gujarat NRE Coke..is it likely to move past 160 today

Anil Manghnani: Strong stock and has shown good upside in a weak market. However, if the market falls any more this will also fall so I am more comfortable buying the fall from now onwards. Trader stop at 146. Buying levels are at 137/126. Upper targets at 159/167

vvshendre2003: Hello sir i bought 100 Tata tea@850

Anil Manghnani: Trader stop for tata tea at 770. Position player stop at 700. Upper targets at 815/842

vickygaurav_200: Sir I Hv 700 ispat at 41 ..ur views on it

Anil Manghnani: Ispat can hold for now stop at 28 upper sell levels at 36/40

cheers40k: Sir in this bear phase u said every rise shud b seen as an opportunity to short, what shud be d stop loss for shorts

Anil Manghnani: It has become a very short term trading market. Yes I believe we are in a bear phase and will be so until Sensex can cross 16600-16800. For now the short selling levels are at 4747 - 4851

san.bajaj: What is your views on market from 6 months perspective

Anil Manghnani: Slowly charts are getting weaker and weaker. I feel we are clearly headed lower unless we can cross 16600 to 16800 and 5000-5100 which I will be pleasantly surprised if we do so. In the meantine a close below 4620 will take us to 4422-4280 in the near term

bhattadshyam: what about thomas cook. hold or sell

Anil Manghnani: hold give in buy back at 107 in MAY

tanujkatyal: sir i have infosys@ 1383

Anil Manghnani: Infosys should retest lows of 1250. Bharti is weak

nidhi_s76: what are your views on rnrl sir

Anil Manghnani: too speculative I feel in the event of further correction ADAG will get affected badly. Support at 79.

sharmasomil: sir are we in bear phase

Anil Manghnani: My definition on bear phase is lower top and bottoms which we are doing. Also for me any break below 50 week MA is a bear phase so we will remain in bear phase till we cross above the 50 week MA which is currently at 16600-16800

kthukral: Sir, shud today`s upmove be considered an opportunity to exit?

Anil Manghnani: In a bear phase every pull back will be sold in to.

mrsachindixit: are sugar stock strong in current scenario ?

Anil Manghnani: For trading one of the better sectors. So buy when they fall to sell the bounce

bhattadshyam: good afternoon. Is market is realy in bear phase? If so what are the levels to watch.

Anil Manghnani: I do believe we are in one. Any close below 4620 then 4422-4280. Sensex below 15332 then 14720-14096

sajan1967: What is your opinion about the market, to stay invested or stay away for a while?

Anil Manghnani: Stay away till it settles down. I do not see it running away

rajarjun: any nifty support

Anil Manghnani: 4620.

NandkumarGangan: hello sir, what about banking sector? today FM is going to present a plan for 60000 loan waiver

Anil Manghnani: Still prefer PSU would avoid private banks

shafais94: can i buy rcom now

Anil Manghnani: trade with stop at 490

ameyamogre: What is the outlook for reliance petro?

Anil Manghnani: it is one of the large caps showing good strength. Buy on fall closer to 143 for bounces

rakesh_new81: what is ur view on market

Anil Manghnani: I am more negative than positive to be honest. I do not mind buyer higher on a confirmed break out rather than trying to catch the supposed bottom

Anil Manghnani: buying higher not buyer higher

vishfin: should one buy JP Ass at currrent mkt price

Anil Manghnani: the recent move is making for good trading opportunities. Support exists at 226/216. Upper level at 236/248

ganeshji101: Sir, Can I buy Alstom Projects at present level of Rs.590/- for one year?

Anil Manghnani: nothing to suggest strength if you buy keep stop below 550

rampratap.yadav: will 940-1000 be strong support for relcap to make an positional trade

Anil Manghnani: 1136 is a key level that needs to hold

nassarca: Whats your view on cairn energ? can i enter at current level ?

Anil Manghnani: Cairn has shown good strength recently so buy in this fall. Immediate trading support at 210-208

rampratap.yadav: U said sometime back, their are three schools of thought for bear market, 1st 4800 broken 2nd 4445 broken , 3rd august 2007 low broken. according to u it`s already in bear phase 1st case. do u think if 4445 is held 2nd case which will confirm double bottom should one go and buy ( or in other sense if 4445 hold at wht point should one take an positional call on nifty)

Anil Manghnani: Tough Question. My gut feeling is if we test 4445 I am not confident it will hold

rkjetty: Can we start buying now or we have to wait for some more days ?

rkjetty: Is it a good level to accumulate front line stocks?

rkjetty: Is it a good level to accumulate front line stocks?

rkjetty: Is it a good level to accumulate front line stocks?

Anil Manghnani: You can trade the frontline stocks. I am not sure if this is the right to be investing

p.v.patil: what do u think about unitech ?

Anil Manghnani: The sector is very weak now. If you buy keep stop at 255

uvsagar: I wiould like to know the charts of IDFC and OBC. Is it a time to buy?

uvsagar: I wiould like to know the charts of IDFC and OBC. Is it a time to buy?

Anil Manghnani: Idfc buy with stop at 149

rohitgnaik: RANBAXY..will it move above 170 today

Anil Manghnani: I assume you mean 470. well that is the resistance which it is not being able to cross. If it does then 516 is target

drvaibhav24: gd noon sir , is 4600 nifty levl likly to hold ?

Anil Manghnani: I am not sure it will hold. May do so today but eventually it could break. Anyway you trade long with 4600 stop

hmmn: Sir, tell me the market for next week bullish or bear?

hmmn: Sir, tell me the market for next week bullish or bear?

Anil Manghnani: It could give you small pull backs but current charts suggest that each pull back will be sold in to

partha_sista: your view on RELIANCE CAPITAL , RELIANCE COMMUNICATIONS, both are touching new lows even though their businesses are good. Should we buy, or wait

Anil Manghnani: wait as i feel the ADAG group is most suseptible to more declines

ksdinesh: enough negative bais on broking stks. will it see uplevel within 2-3 months

Anil Manghnani: Difficult. If markets remain dull and keep falling the there are less people trading so overall brokerages will reduce leading to earnings declines and downgrades for brokerage stocks. In addition many of them have opened branches which is another problem.

virgovim: can we still go short on RNRL ?

Anil Manghnani: short on rise may be close to 123

Anil Manghnani: Thank You

Anil Manghnani: h

Anil Manghnani: Have a nice week end

Anil Manghnani: no disclosures

14-03-08 Midday Power call. PYT.

14-03-08 Chatscript, With Mr Hitendre Vasudeo.